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Tim Keel

Hi Scott - welcome to the conversation. I am glad you are engaging these questions in the midst of your ministry. It sounds like you are using wisdom and discernment to do so. I think that that will serve you and your broader community very well. Blessings.

Scott

Hey Tim, I don't know you beyond this blog and I'm new (maybe a year into emergent), but I appreciate your words here. As someone who is currently struggling to bring about the emergent conversation in an established denomination, the question quickly has become not how, but should. Should we try to reinvent an existing group and in the process alientate the modern believers? Not that it would be on purpose or with the intent of abolishing their traditions, but it would happen just the same. Their culture would suffer just as the culture around them suffers from not being approached from a "post" perspective. An enigma to be sure, but I have never had more faith in God's working and have confidence he will lead ALL of us to His keep. Thanks again!

Andrew

Your call for leaders to learn the art/skill of contextualization is much needed I think. Tim, I really hear you calling for an "un" model. The whole framework of "models" that are transferable from one context to the next is unworkable for the "post" world. Keep preaching it Tim! Leaders desperately need to get this.

Tim Keel

Hi All,

Thanks for the feedback on this excerpt.

Tony, it is not that I, or anyone that I know, is saying that there are no answers. At least in the context of this excerpt I am saying I don't know because I know of no way of answering a question like the one this man asked without doing greater damage. I believe it would be the height of presumption to try and tell this pastor what I think he ought to do in the form of an answer without first having had opportunity to get to know him, his church, and their context. Part of the problem that my book seeks to address is the phenomenon of acontextual experts unloading "one size fits all" approaches to leadership and ministry. Many of us in church leadership have been fed this approach for a long time and have found it to be not only ineffective, but also damaging.

What I am seeking to suggest in this book is that leaders, rather than depending on other people "out there" to tell them what to do, need to learn how to respond to God, their people, and the context where live in ways that are faithful to the calling they have. Toward that end, I suggest not answers, but postures that help us to attend to those things.

I hope this helps to clarify what I mean when I write "I don't know." And like Carla, writes, sometimes the first step in engaging in healthy ways is to ask a well-formed question, not offer a glib answer.

carla

Well said Tim. The emergent conversation is as much about asking new questions as it is about offering new answers. For people like Tony (above) who are frustrated by this conversation, there are lots of new questions to be asked--Tim offers a fantastic example at the end of this post.

Tony

"I don't know" is the answer get for a majority of the questions that I have in this emergent conversation. When there is no truth, "I don't know" is all that's left.

Kickin' post, dude!

Sivin

finally a book by Tim Keel. I'm looking forward to get a copy. And I like the honesty and humility of "I don't know" as the place to start.

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